Thanks Gale Force Nine. I have a 7 player game coming up soon with all rules and I am playing Batiatus. That was certainly my take on it.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: Boast tokens
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Variants:: Re: Drop the Gear; Replace with Styles
by Boxer
I think this is a great idea and that you should run with it. It allows for a more interesting "fighting game" variant for when you don have the time to play the real game.↧
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Variants:: Re: Drop the Gear; Replace with Styles
by Minedog3
The easiest option would be to remove the Gear from the market, and give each Gladiator appropriate gear according to their style before each match.↧
Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Variants:: Re: Drop the Gear; Replace with Styles
I have already experimented with this and have stats that recreate the types of gladiators- dropping gear is the next step, I give people the chance to use a gladiator based on weapons or use a gladiator based on historical type.
I had done a fair bit of research and re-enactment prior to having the game or seeing the series. This helped in shaping style set- using the game's weapons and armour and special effects and crafting the familla gladiatore.
Types used
Retiarius
Laquaerii
Thraex
Murmillo
Secutor (no axes lol!)
Hoplomachus
Crupellarius
Scissore
Provocator
I had done a fair bit of research and re-enactment prior to having the game or seeing the series. This helped in shaping style set- using the game's weapons and armour and special effects and crafting the familla gladiatore.
Types used
Retiarius
Laquaerii
Thraex
Murmillo
Secutor (no axes lol!)
Hoplomachus
Crupellarius
Scissore
Provocator
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Thread: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Matrx53
Player A had no ready slaves so player B used the reaction card empty brothel on player A. Player A then proceeded to use the gladiator Lugo which says at "any time" may exhaust to refresh a slave. Does that negate the effects of empty brothel?↧
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Mixo
Well, I'd say "any time" is "any time" so yes you are save from the brothel's effect, BUT you will have to exhaust Lugo and may end up sending the refreshed slave into the arena....↧
Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
...which will result in an empty brothel! Luckily, that card has already been played. And hopefully, you'll have more than one gladiator.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Matrx53
thanks for your input, my 2 friends were arguing about it for an hour!↧
Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Mattias
I don't think it is as clear cut as that. When Empty Brothel was played there were no ready slaves, so that was a legal play. The effect is still being resolved when Lugo refreshes the slave. Unless Empty Brothel is cancelled (by some other reaction) it will take effect.Read the FAQ concerning the order of card resolution.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Minedog3
Matrx53 wrote:
Player A had no ready slaves so player B used the reaction card empty brothel on player A. Player A then proceeded to use the gladiator Lugo which says at "any time" may exhaust to refresh a slave. Does that negate the effects of empty brothel?
I'm going with NO
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Kantas
Mattias wrote:
I don't think it is as clear cut as that. When Empty Brothel was played there were no ready slaves, so that was a legal play. The effect is still being resolved when Lugo refreshes the slave. Unless Empty Brothel is cancelled (by some other reaction) it will take effect.
Read the FAQ concerning the order of card resolution.
Read the FAQ concerning the order of card resolution.
I have to agree with this ruling... Once Empty Brothel is played the effect is resolved. an "at any time" would be started AFTER Empty Brothel is played... The only thing that can interrupt a card would be a reaction card. In this particular case, that reaction card is Jupiters Cock, due to empty brothel being a reaction card. Lugo isn't a reaction card, ergo he's not an interrupt.
I could be wrong, but I believe Lugo just says "Any Phase", which is not the same as "any time" it would still be played as a normal card, which is to say, not an interrupt.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Matrx53
Thanks for your input. The card does say "anytime" though and there are other cards that say "any phase". So if "anytime" is not an interrupt then what is the difference between the 2? Is it a typo by the creators of the game? I am leaning towards "anytime" being an interrupt and therefore would cancel empty brothel but wanted to get others opinions.↧
Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Walt Mulder
This is not Magic the Gathering. There are no "interrupts". You can foil something played, you can react to a scheme, but you can't undo anything that's been resolved.The brothel was empty when Empty Brothel was played. It was resolved. Yes, you can play Lugo's ability anytime. If you wanted it to be effective against Empty Brothel, you should have played it before Empty Brothel to prevent its effect.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Logan8
Walt Mulder wrote:
This is not Magic the Gathering ... If you wanted it to be effective against Empty Brothel, you should have played it before Empty Brothel to prevent its effect.
I'd have to agree with this. People are talking as if there is a "stack" where cards are played and then resolve once played, which isn't what happens here. It's not in the rules. At best you can "react" to a card, but "play at any time" doesn't mean play a card after someone else playing a card but before that card resolves. There is no "time" between those two events.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Kantas
Matrx53 wrote:
Thanks for your input. The card does say "anytime" though and there are other cards that say "any phase". So if "anytime" is not an interrupt then what is the difference between the 2? Is it a typo by the creators of the game? I am leaning towards "anytime" being an interrupt and therefore would cancel empty brothel but wanted to get others opinions.
You missed the part where it was said that the ONLY thing that can interrupt the play of a card is a reaction card. In this specific case, the only card that can stop empty brothel is Jupiter's Cock.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Mixo
Walt Mulder wrote:
This is not Magic the Gathering. There are no "interrupts". You can foil something played, you can react to a scheme, but you can't undo anything that's been resolved.
The brothel was empty when Empty Brothel was played. It was resolved. Yes, you can play Lugo's ability anytime. If you wanted it to be effective against Empty Brothel, you should have played it before Empty Brothel to prevent its effect.
The brothel was empty when Empty Brothel was played. It was resolved. Yes, you can play Lugo's ability anytime. If you wanted it to be effective against Empty Brothel, you should have played it before Empty Brothel to prevent its effect.
An interesting discussion and I can see both sides and would except both rulings, but I am still somewhat leaning towards allowing the use of Lugo.
Page 6 of the rulebook says:
"Many Slaves and some Gladiators have “Intrigue” Special Abilities. Many of these require you to Exhaust the card. These must be used during your Intrigue turn, if possible. Any exceptions will be noted on the cards."
Now, USUALLY, the special abilities of Gladiators are used in the intrigue phase - any exceptions are noted on the cards. "ANYTIME" is the exception on Lugo's card so with this rule in mind ANYTIME is just that - ANYTIME. The question here is not about FOILING something or REACTING to something, it is about the usage of "anytime" as an exception.
As I said I do see both sides and would accept both rulings.
Interesting side note:
I do own the German edition of the game - on the German card, there is no mentioning of "anytime", there is no time when the card can be played given on the card. Without the "anytime" on the card I would also rule out the play of Lugo to cancel the brothel. This may or may not be a deliberate "correction" of the English card's text.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Mattias
But do you think that "anytime" means it can be used retroactively?↧
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Rules:: Re: can empty brothel be reversed?
by Logan8
Mixo wrote:
"ANYTIME" is the exception on Lugo's card so with this rule in mind ANYTIME is just that - ANYTIME. The question here is not about FOILING something or REACTING to something, it is about the usage of "anytime" as an exception.
Yeah I get what you are saying. My argument is simply that there is no "time" betweening playing EtB and it's effects happening, therefore the "anytime" doesn't matter in this case.
It does sound like the wording is wrong given that other cards say "any phase" and with the German version also being different.
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Reply: Spartacus: A Game of Blood & Treachery:: Variants:: Re: Some Updated House Rules in the wake of Shadow of Death
We tried your house rules and generally liked them a lot.
We didn't use the favour adding extra dice - though we can see you've attempted to balance that with things like the handicapped primus.
We liked your movement and facing rules a lot. Seemed to totally get rid of "kiting"/"dancing around". Made maneuvering in combat especially in a primus more fun and interesting. However, the rule about using up a movement die to turn two faces if stationary, or losing one die to back up didn't work so well with slaves (ie Festival of Bacchanalia). We modified it slightly to allow a one hex face turn for free prior to moving, and you could still back up one hex even with only 1 speed die left - but with no additional facing change.
Also, if a champion is defeated and another gladiator gains the champion title - what happens to the defeated gladiator's favour? Down to zero, or one? We presumed they could not be executed by the host still.
Curious for you to clarify how you deal with those situations.
We didn't use the favour adding extra dice - though we can see you've attempted to balance that with things like the handicapped primus.
We liked your movement and facing rules a lot. Seemed to totally get rid of "kiting"/"dancing around". Made maneuvering in combat especially in a primus more fun and interesting. However, the rule about using up a movement die to turn two faces if stationary, or losing one die to back up didn't work so well with slaves (ie Festival of Bacchanalia). We modified it slightly to allow a one hex face turn for free prior to moving, and you could still back up one hex even with only 1 speed die left - but with no additional facing change.
Also, if a champion is defeated and another gladiator gains the champion title - what happens to the defeated gladiator's favour? Down to zero, or one? We presumed they could not be executed by the host still.
Curious for you to clarify how you deal with those situations.
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